XA vs. XB2, somebody help me?

scioncliff · Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 47 Location: Greensburg, Pa.

Got an 06 XA that I absoulutely love, pimp wheels, intake, tinted, lots of extras. Went by my local dealer the other nite, was sucked into driving the new XB, loved the auto-stick type deal, and now I want one, sort of. I know the mileage aint there, but a lot of positives. Somebody talk me out of this. :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:

ryuji16 · Posted: 9/3/08 5:38PM Post subject:

id stick with the xA. ive always had a thing for xA's. and since they have been discontinued, id really think about it before you get rid of it.

or, you can focus on getting yourself in a financial position where you can own both without sacrificing one of them :D

fugeelama · Joined: 11 Nov 2003 Posts: 332 Location: San Diego, CA

Try to remember the reasons you got into an xA in the first place. Now think: does the difference in size, fuel economy, power, etc. really make a difference? Why do you *really* want a new xB? I've driven the new xB as well but plan on driving my Marshmallow into the ground. The xA is a unique car (they don't make 'em anymore) and you can park it anywhere!

dexter_5000 · Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 887 Location: New Hampshire

www.team-ist.net there is where you'll find some reasons i'm sure.

cobb · Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 1346 Location: Richmond, VA

The fuel economy alone should do it. I got all the oem goodies, plus legal tint all around and a strup muffler. Man, it pulls to red line and driving that way I have hit 35-36mpg each tank. A slush box just does not give the same economy.

mb2008 · Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 200

I think the only reason you wanted it was because of the "New shiny car" effect. Like they said, the gas mileage is bad, even though the motor is bigger its barely faster (stock) if it even is than an xA (stock). The only good thing is that it has more interior room, unless you like small ones. Besides, you'll be losing a lot of money, starting all over with a 5 year payment plan and do I even need to mention the cost to add all the stuff you added to the xA? Besides, I've seen some posts in the xB forum, and a lot of people are complaining about different noises in the pillars and other places. (Watch, if you look you probably wont find any since I mentioned it). Look through the 2nd gen xB forum sometime for anything they're complaining about. I don't know if it's even possible, but maybe the xA will be worth a little more than most used cars one day since they are the first model discontinued from Scion, you never know.

SHIFT_xA · Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 162 Location: Camarillo, THE 805

Really depends on what you want out of it, like everyone else has said, gas milage is the biggest thing. But if you are looking for room and a little more comfort, then the XB2 would be the way to go. I drive 100 miles a day so the XB2 was out of the question for me. But I have a blast in my make-shift IST and I get tons of looks(suprisingly) and tons of questions. I wouldn't trade it for a brand new XB2! Just my $.02!!

scioncliff · Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 47 Location: Greensburg, Pa.

Thanks for all your comments, probably gonna stick with the XA for now. The biggest thing in the XB 2's favor is it has a lot of room. Your right, not really a lot more power for the bucks, I really miss having our Toyota Previa van, the best car we ever owned, sold at 200K miles, should have just kept it, and bought an XA for the commute.

cobb · Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 1346 Location: Richmond, VA

If chevy can make the volt a reality next year, it will change the auto industry. Its suppose to have an electric drivetrain and electric everything that can go 40miles per recharge, after that is exhausted it goes to gas/elecric. Just think, you drive less than 40 miles a day, your gas can go bad before you burn it.

scioncliff wrote: Thanks for all your comments, probably gonna stick with the XA for now. The biggest thing in the XB 2's favor is it has a lot of room. Your right, not really a lot more power for the bucks, I really miss having our Toyota Previa van, the best car we ever owned, sold at 200K miles, should have just kept it, and bought an XA for the commute.

z · Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 54

cobb wrote: If chevy can make the volt a reality next year, it will change the auto industry. Its suppose to have an electric drivetrain and electric everything that can go 40miles per recharge, after that is exhausted it goes to gas/elecric. Just think, you drive less than 40 miles a day, your gas can go bad before you burn it.

scioncliff wrote: Thanks for all your comments, probably gonna stick with the XA for now. The biggest thing in the XB 2's favor is it has a lot of room. Your right, not really a lot more power for the bucks, I really miss having our Toyota Previa van, the best car we ever owned, sold at 200K miles, should have just kept it, and bought an XA for the commute.

I agree with most of these posts. The whole reason for the Xa is economy. Fuel economy - primarily. The Xb and the new Xd sure are nice,, but you forfeit the main reason for owning such a car. But it is relative. When I lived 12 miles from work,, the Xb would be real economical for me to own. But now - living 35 miles from work,, it would be out of the question to get only 28 (or so) miles to the gallon.

On another note,, the electric/gas vehicles,,, i.e. the Volt and others. The problem - as I see it - is based on the price of these vehicles,, they are not geared to the average "Joe" like us,, who is looking for all around economy. They are priced for the folks that really don't care about the cost of gas,, but will buy these as a "novelty" or because they are really into all this "save the planet" stuff. Do you realize how long it will take to make up the difference in gas when you have to pay 30k + for one of these cars. Then,, just when you break even,, there goes your battery pack and a couple grand. What we need is for the U.S. to allow us to buy cars like the rest of the wrold has. If you have'n done it,, look on the Internet for any car company you can think of - and put UK after it. Example www.nissanuk. Almost every company has models that they sell everywhere (except U.S.) that get 50-70 mpg.

SHIFT_xA · Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 162 Location: Camarillo, THE 805

z wrote: If you have'n done it,, look on the Internet for any car company you can think of - and put UK after it. Example www.nissanuk. Almost every company has models that they sell everywhere (except U.S.) that get 50-70 mpg.

You really can't use that as an example for the simple fact that the US and UK MPGs are different. The UK gallon is more than the US gallon, hense, it gets more milage.

cobb · Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 1346 Location: Richmond, VA

z, I hope one day to be a guy who can buy a car that cost more than 15 grand, however my family just doesnt have the genes or skills to do that.

I wanted a prius, 21,500.00 after my company would give me 3000.00 to buy one making it about 18,500.00. High, but doable. Needless to say the dealer wasnt interested so I went the xa route after some research on edmunds on fuel economy.

I see many cars on the road owned and or driven by folks who make less than I do and I make 22 bucks an hour. I guess its your money in regards to where you put it and why, status or fuel economy. Keep in mind the hybrid cars are mid to full size where the econobox are just that, small. In many cases the hybrid option is a few grand more.

As is I do not know of any battery issues with the prius except the fact its small. Lead acid should not sit discharged for more than 6 hours, but people do it daily and thats about a grand to replace every few years. Most battery replacements from electric cars are from abuse rather they are sucked too dry, left to sit in a discharged state, over charged or over taxed.

With proper care, batteries can last for ever.

Yes, many of the car companies we know offer diesel models and much more fuel efficient cars in other countries than the US. Are emissions and crash standards are too strick and by time you add the neded metal and emissions, the car is no longer efficient as it is.

dexter_5000 · Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 887 Location: New Hampshire

they are strict due to the larger number of drivers on the road though. unlike other countries were not so many people have cars.

mb2008 · Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 200

SHIFT_xA wrote: z wrote: If you have'n done it,, look on the Internet for any car company you can think of - and put UK after it. Example www.nissanuk. Almost every company has models that they sell everywhere (except U.S.) that get 50-70 mpg.

You really can't use that as an example for the simple fact that the US and UK MPGs are different. The UK gallon is more than the US gallon, hense, it gets more milage.

And I thought the only measurement difference around the world was metric and standard.

* U.S. liquid gallon is legally defined as 231 cubic inches,[1] and is equal to (exactly) 3.785411784 litres (1 L = 10-3 m3) or about 0.13368 cubic feet. This is the most common definition of a gallon in the United States. The U.S. fluid ounce is defined as 1/128 of a U.S. gallon.
* U.S. dry gallon is one-eighth of a U.S. Winchester bushel of 2150.42 cubic inches, thus 268.8025 cubic inches (exactly) or 4.40488377086 litres (exactly). The U.S. dry gallon is less commonly used, and is not listed in the relevant statute, which jumps from the dry quart to the peck.[1]
* Imperial (UK) gallon is legally defined as 4.54609 litres. This definition is used in Commonwealth countries and Ireland, and is based on the volume of 10 pounds of water at 62 °F. (A U.S. liquid gallon of water weighs about 8.33 pounds at the same temperature.) The Imperial fluid ounce is defined as 1/160 of an Imperial gallon.